Episode Transcript
[00:00:07] Speaker A: This is Media Labs Foreign and welcome back to Media Labs. This is Chronicles of a Nation. I am Chronicles.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: Hi. And I am Alice.
[00:00:41] Speaker A: Alice is back to join us again, y'all. So today we are going to filter in some conversation.
We have been kind of chomping at the bit to get into it, and today Alice says she has questions and I have answers.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: Do you know if I'm ready for you?
[00:01:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:01] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:01:02] Speaker A: Well, where do you want to start? What do you got?
[00:01:05] Speaker B: So there's lots of topics, of course, that we want to talk about, but I think the biggest one that is misconstrued and is kind of out there in a way that it's not. That's not protecting you as a human.
[00:01:22] Speaker A: What do you mean?
[00:01:23] Speaker B: Is the. The trans agenda just some. I don't even know how to explain it anymore because I don't understand it. Like. Sure, it's just out of control. I feel like. I feel like it's so not the way that I.
It's. It's. It's outlandish, you know, it's just very over the top. Yeah.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: So is this what you would like to talk about today?
[00:01:52] Speaker B: I mean, only if you want to talk about it.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: Well, you know, you said, hey, I want to, you know, I want to get a discussion out there, you know, behind some of these things. I know we touched on it in our very crazy freaking first.
[00:02:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that we did.
[00:02:10] Speaker A: We were everywhere.
[00:02:11] Speaker B: Yeah. That's okay, though.
[00:02:12] Speaker A: We had fun. We had fun. True story. We had fun. Yeah.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: So I guess what's started off with how do you feel?
Or what is it like living as a trans woman in today, in America versus even back when you started your transition? Because this, again, wasn't a hundred days ago. You're not that 100 day hero. This is not day one, day 10, or day hundred for you.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: We're not having the conversation of day 100 of being a woman. That's not happening here, folks.
[00:02:49] Speaker B: I mean, not happening here. Well, I don't know if you could remember day 100. That's been a pretty long ago.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: So just to be clear, I'm an 80s baby, y'all, so don't. Don't let her, like, take us way back in time.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: That is not that far. That's not that long ago. Okay, I know, but I'm just saying we're still young.
[00:03:08] Speaker A: It's food for talk for people. I gotta tell them things.
[00:03:12] Speaker B: We don't need that much Botox yet.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: No, no. But when we do, we're going to.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Share surgeon I mean I have a great one. I'm just kidding. I don't. But wish I did.
[00:03:25] Speaker A: You did. Before you blown out with those kids. Okay, off topic. So go ahead. So that's your question?
[00:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I mean how do you, how do you. Because so many people have so many bad things to say about people living as a trans male or trans female. And really it's worse for the women, the trans women, than it is the trans men. I don't think trans men it as much.
[00:03:52] Speaker A: Right. Like they never have, like just they never have. Yeah.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: And, and then, you know, versus now, versus then what? You know, so I just, I feel like it's this, people need to be educated a little bit that not every person is like what they see on social media or on TV or this is not the vast majority of sure.
[00:04:21] Speaker A: Of you and I can definitely go out in public and no one would be the wiser, that's for sure. We do know that.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: Right.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: So let me start with, let me.
[00:04:35] Speaker B: Start with what bothers you most now?
What, what affects you the most? What makes you.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Oh, the movement. The movement. Like do you feel the movement itself? So let me tell you how it really, what it used to boil down to before all the agenda came in and kind of rewrote the script on clinical definition. So clinical definition used to be very strict. It was very clear about the parameters, it was very clear about how you had to live.
It was encompassing and kind of all parts of your life.
You didn't, you didn't, you know, get to eat off the plate just because, you know, you, you, you showed support. So meaning just because you felt like something doesn't mean you have been defined within that category. That's how it started and that's how it was when I was younger and in the 90s and in 2000s starting, it was a.
People don't realize how dangerous it was to be a trans girl. Because when the problem is when you become as they used to say, passable.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:05:51] Speaker A: And when you become passable, it's a double edged sword sometimes because you are now passable.
But, but you're not done.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: Right.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: And so then when you come into those circumstances and environments where you meet men and men outside of the spectrum of men that, that favor trans girls, it can cause problems. And a lot of girls, out of loneliness, out of, out of the desire to feel included, to feel whole, to feel done, unfortunately would play with their lives and they would come across men that they would just get head over heels for. They were, I mean men were just everything that you wanted. Problem is you haven't told him. And you've gotten so far involved now, let's say a month, and well, he's ready to fuck.
You haven't told him yet.
And so it comes down to where it's either going to be explosive or he walks away.
I know girls that it got explosive. I know girls.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: So that's what you mean when you say dangerous. You didn't have, you didn't have, quote, unquote, these crazy conservative people trying to like, take you down on the side of the road because you were trying to be.
[00:07:21] Speaker A: Oh, hell no. It was, it was a very different world. You know, like I was saying, I knew people. When I say explosive, I mean they either got literally almost beaten to death. I know two girls that died.
[00:07:34] Speaker B: But I'm saying, you know, it was.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: A very dangerous different world then versus the danger of it today. The danger of it today, which is what I think you wanted to know was it's dangerous because of the, the highlight that you've put on a normal run of the mill, you know, trans girl out here in the world. She really is just living her life and she's just doing her own thing and she's. Whatever that may be.
[00:08:04] Speaker B: And she just wants to have a family like every.
Or, or she just wants to have a career or me, or even he wants to have a family or have a career or.
[00:08:16] Speaker A: Because it was that way back then. Because this is the real. But see, that's when you're finding the true clinical definition of originally of a trans woman. That's what it was, the attraction to men, the, the, you know, feminization, you know, of yourself and how it's internally, naturally built. It's, it's, it's dangerous to try to attempt to find ways. And this is something we'll get into later to suppress that because it will only last for so long and then it can kind of become a powder keg in you if you try too long and too much. I'm not saying that you need it. Go ahead and begin transitioning, but without sitting down and creating the context of those feelings within yourself and understanding them on your own. And that's the key. You must understand these feelings in this, this orientation on your own first and find someone truly qualified to help you understand those things.
[00:09:12] Speaker B: So do you feel more threatened? Did you, do you feel more threatened than then, or do you feel more threatened now, today? Why?
[00:09:21] Speaker A: Because you want, you want truth?
[00:09:24] Speaker B: I want truth.
[00:09:25] Speaker A: The trans movement has been completely and utterly taken over by liberal white women. And they have now decided who is trans, who is not, who will put on a pedestal who. We won't.
And it's interesting. Oh, no, we can't put you on a pedestal. You have too much sense. You make me think I don't have to take questions from you.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: So the extravagance.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: But I'm trans and you're telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: Yeah, you lived through it in, In a time.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: I did it in a time where? Are you kidding me?
[00:09:59] Speaker B: Yeah, but.
[00:10:00] Speaker A: But you don't. But you don't have to listen to me.
So as long as you have these little people on, let's say, campuses that you coddle to, they matter and I don't because I'm not a. I'm not a victim. I once upon a time was a victim of different things.
Well, I think in this, in this.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: Life, I think we all are at some point in our lives. You know what I mean?
[00:10:24] Speaker A: Right. But I'm not a victim to my circumstance.
[00:10:29] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: I see so much more openness today and willingness to try to understand from people than ever before. My own housekeeper is a Republican. Mago loving Republican.
[00:10:44] Speaker B: And she sees.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: No, it's a woman. And no, she absolutely loves the conversations that we have because they're. They're meaningful, they're deep, they're. They're discussions of rationale.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: And you don't feel. You don't feel.
You don't. You don't feel threatened?
[00:11:04] Speaker A: Yeah, no, not by her. No.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: But I also have met.
[00:11:08] Speaker B: You could also probably beat her up, too.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: Well, that's probably true. I can beat up a lot of people, though. But that's another. Another episode.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: I'm just. I'm just saying. And that also kind of brings in other subjects that we could talk about as well.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: But we will later. Yeah, but today is today.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: So what I'm trying to say is I've met other maga. Loving Republicans. Right. If that's how you want to put it, if you want to put it in a context, if you want to put a title on it, I'll. I'll just give you that. And I don't like that title because I think when you support country, you support country. If you need to put it under that acronym of a famous red hat, then so be it. But I call it patriotism. And there's nothing wrong with that. No, I think it's a beautiful thing, really.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: I think a lot. A lot of Americans are feel like they're too conservative to be liberal and too liberal to be conservative. Does that make sense?
[00:12:03] Speaker A: It does. I think, I think that is a great point. I think what you're doing there is you're really saying that you are, you're, you're not in denial that society has changed and it's altered. But at the same time, I like that you say that because you're saying, you're saying as you, as an individual, and I know you personally, that this is what you'll come across by and large more of. I think there's a lot more middle of the road conservatives today who are socially liberal. They're not trying to hold you down, they're not hunting you down in the street.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: No, no.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: I mean, I mean, I've met these people and I've talked to them.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: Right. It's not, I mean, it's also like. So not all trans women are trying to, they're, they're just trying to live and blend and be. They're not all trying to be in, in spaces that.
[00:12:58] Speaker A: But here's the thing. You don't see us though. That's exactly, exactly. You don't see us.
[00:13:03] Speaker B: But the, the.
[00:13:04] Speaker A: I go to. Look, I go to my gym at 5 in the morning. I won't say what gym, but I go to my gym at five in the morning, okay? Tinted moisturizer, hair. You either up in a bun, you know, or in a ponytail in the morning. Because it's 5am And I applaud you.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Just for getting up and being that dedicated.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: I applaud myself for I got that far and that's it, you know, And I don't have pants up my crack of my ass, you know, I'm not there trying to be a bunny.
And I go to the gym and people smile and I smile. We, you know, because we see each other all the time and stuff, you know, like every morning, right. And so it just becomes a cordial thing where you, oh, hey, you know, Jimmy, you know, however you want to look at it, you know, Jim, buddy, whatever, right? And so that's how it goes. We have tons of candy, by the way, at my gym. Oh, 5:00am Candy is awesome. But it, I don't have those issues and I'm not. And let me, let me be clear when I say that. Let me be clear. I understand, okay? Before everybody out there in microphone universe gets all pissy, I understand not every girl is passable and she hasn't reached that plateau. I get that.
But it's the plateau that we're talking about that I think people. It scares people because you're not even at.
[00:14:15] Speaker B: Ha.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: You're not even off the mound within that plateau, and you're going into these spaces.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: And you're very visibly not presenting.
[00:14:27] Speaker A: You're very clearly. You know, you're on the mound. You are not on that plateau, and you are terrorizing by doing that. I'm saying, see if you understand where I'm coming from.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: I do.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: You're terrorizing women.
[00:14:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: Because you don't know how to feel. They know that women are not stupid. They know what they see.
[00:14:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: They mean they know what they see. And if you're on the mound and that's what they see. Do you see what I'm saying?
[00:14:50] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:14:50] Speaker A: Do you see what I'm. Where I'm going with this?
[00:14:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:52] Speaker A: I mean, you're not even attempting to even. And then, you know, you're all in the area or the, you know, the bath area, you know, the shower area or something, you know, and you're kind of hunkered down and hovering maybe, or something. That would creep me out.
[00:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:15:08] Speaker A: Hold on. I know it would creep you out, though. And you call me and be like.
[00:15:12] Speaker B: There'S a guy in this.
[00:15:13] Speaker A: You'd kind of just be there and just kind of think, what do I do here?
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:18] Speaker A: Because that would be an awkward situation for you.
[00:15:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like it would. But I mean, it would also be.
[00:15:23] Speaker A: Like, no, I don't think it's because you know me. I just think it would be because you legitimately, as we've talked, that makes you uncomfortable because you know it's not real.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: Right. And also, I think even as a trans woman, you would have. Like, you. You also are at risk for certain things.
[00:15:42] Speaker A: I've actually had. Let me tell you this. I actually had these two chicks come in one time. Let me tell you the story. They came into the gym one time. I don't know who they were. I don't know where these fat chicks came from.
[00:15:54] Speaker B: Oh, don't be me.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: But fat chicks did not like the fact that apparently they must have known. I don't know how or I don't. I don't know, and I don't care. I don't care. But don't. Don't. One thing you don't want to do is target me because you have no idea where you're getting into.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:12] Speaker A: Chronicles is not the one.
And so they went to the front desk and tried to have me removed.
Removed out of the gym and, you know, the position that put me in, because I felt like I really could pull that card. You know, that card, you know, the one they love, this laminated and everything in gold. I could pull that card and have them out of this gym in every single planet Fitness. I could pull. I could do it.
But then what does that make me? And how do I look? How do I approach this situation? And how do I make it clear?
Here's what happened.
The person that they asked at the gym to remove me had a conversation with the manager later on that day, whom I happen to know one of. We have a great, you know, rapport. I don't say relationship, but rapport with each other, because he knows me. And back when I had Covid, you know, a few years ago, I was really sick, and he had excused my gym membership for a couple months because I was so sick.
Well, he did eliminate their membership after talking to the. The girl from the desk. I had nothing to do with that. And then he approached me. He sent me a text message. Hey, I do want to have a conversation with you. Can you come in? So I did. And he said, so this is what happened. I was like, oh, really?
Wow.
And see, the only reason I knew is because I was on my way to get another drink to fill my, you know, my thermos.
And apparently she must have thought I was deaf, dumb, or stupid.
And I could hear her telling her, it just doesn't. No, it just doesn't belong here, and I don't want it in the locker room. And so that's what created that impasse for me. What do I do here?
[00:18:03] Speaker B: So do you think that the definition of what trans is now versus like is what's creating?
[00:18:12] Speaker A: I think that's part of the culture.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: So that. That is like a radical, kind of conservative side of it. You know, I've never had that happen, but it does. Hold on.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: But when I was younger. Hold on. When I was younger, first starting out younger, and I was within that null versus the plateau. Do you see what I'm saying? I had that happen to me. And back then, I went to the gym one time. Yeah, full, you know, full of makeup, you know, the whole nine yards.
And it happened to me. And you know, what I could do about it back then?
[00:18:46] Speaker B: Nothing.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Nothing. They asked me to leave politely. They said, we know what you are. This was in Dallas, by the way. I was living in Dallas at the time. They said, we know what you are.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: So if it happened, and they asked me to leave if it h. If a female walked up to you today, said, I really don't feel comfortable with you being here, would you mind to, like, do this? Would you be offended by that?
[00:19:09] Speaker A: The first word out of my mouth would probably be the. Are you talking about.
What is it? What is it exactly you think you know? Please share with me what is it you think you know? And we'll go from there, and then I'll tell you what I think I know.
[00:19:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:27] Speaker A: And we'll see who wins.
[00:19:29] Speaker B: But do you think that it should be.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: But the trajectory of that comment from her, I feel, is because of society and. And the highlight of it today. Yes, I do. Yes. Does that help?
[00:19:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's. It's kind of like universal. Right. So not really universal, but I was thinking about this the other night, and it kind of.
[00:19:50] Speaker A: What do you mean universal?
[00:19:51] Speaker B: Like, with the feeling you mean.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: No.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: Okay. Like, with all things that are different. Right. So not all white people are racist or. Not all people in general are racist, because some are.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: No, that's a good point.
[00:20:10] Speaker B: Not all men beat on women, because some do.
Not all trans women are. You know, I'll say it.
[00:20:21] Speaker A: No, here's what you're looking for.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Not all trans women are out there invading women's spaces, destroying their chances, you know, on. On athletic teams. I'm not afraid to say it, and I know you danced around it, but I told you just to tell everybody. That has to be addressed. That has to be a discussion, because I know we. Even though we. We were crazy in that first episode, full episode, we did touch on it, but it's important that we let people understand and we explain to them the differences. So this was all about having an edge and manipulating that edge to do something they could not otherwise do. So for Leah Thomas, he was number 400 and something on men's.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: Couldn't catch a break to save his life because he wasn't that good of a swimmer.
You're not even Michael Phelps's, you know, clone Michael Phelps. You know what I mean? First of all, nobody's Michael Phelps. But so because you couldn't do that, you played a game and you came back a year later, I'm a woman.
And then you took that and you attacked a women's space. That's how I see it. You would. You attached yourself to it in an attack, a very brazen one, to say, I'm here. There's nothing you can do about it. And when the girls tried to do something about it, they were told, bow down.
Because it's gonna happen. Tough. So essentially that's what they were told.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: By the Olympic Committee. That's what they were told.
[00:21:51] Speaker B: Right. But so essentially you're saying it's a fine line. And when people are crossing.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: People are crossing it.
[00:22:00] Speaker B: It. It is putting you in danger.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: Not just me, but other girls, like, hypothetically, let's say someone did figure it out and then now they want to bring me their issues. Like, for instance, their son got assault, you know, assaulted, you know, in school by one of me. Right. Cuz that's how they're looking at it. Right. If they're, if they're approaching me, that's how they're thinking right now. How am I supposed to act, react in that situation? Because he's already lumped me in. Right. Those parents have already lumped me in with that person that tried to assault their son.
[00:22:32] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: Do you see what I'm saying?
[00:22:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: And so I think that it's important that logical conversations are had.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: Which is why we decided to do this so that we could help. I could help those parents understand.
[00:22:45] Speaker B: I'm helping too. Don't, don't. Don't do that.
I'm sorry, y'all.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: I'm sorry. I forgot to give her.
[00:22:54] Speaker B: I'm sitting here as a woman. I am not. She is, actually. You did beat me. I'm just kidding.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: I just.
[00:23:04] Speaker B: I'm sitting here. I'm not. I'm not pressured to be here. I'm not, you know, I don't feel uncomfortable. I don't feel.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: You better not.
[00:23:14] Speaker B: No.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: So I think let's tell everybody that. Let's tell everybody this real quick before we get, you know, back on our topic. I think it's truly brazen what you have chosen to do.
You have really said you put your foot in and you're like, I want to do this with you. Because I think this kind of conversation between you and me and our identities is important to have for other people to hear so we can reset. Begin to reset that narrative and you can help other women understand.
[00:23:44] Speaker B: Like, I. I don't. I see.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: That's party. But this is a good thing that we're doing.
[00:23:48] Speaker B: I want.
[00:23:48] Speaker A: And I love you for it.
[00:23:49] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:23:50] Speaker A: I love you.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: I only want. I don't care what anyone does.
[00:23:55] Speaker A: You're like me. You want what's best for our country.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: I want what's best for P.E. like, just in general. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want you to tell. Come into my house and tell me how to live My life. Right. I don't want.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:09] Speaker B: I don't want that. I don't. It's none of your business what I do in my home. And you don't want.
[00:24:13] Speaker A: And you don't want a form given to you, Right. A form given to you. Well, this is all the rules. You can't. That you apply to you, but they don't apply to me.
[00:24:21] Speaker B: So even people would say, so this was. What.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: When.
[00:24:25] Speaker B: You know, what was the last.
We're gonna take all your guns. Right. Thing.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: I wish you would.
[00:24:32] Speaker B: Well, but I'm just saying, like, just like that, Like, I have.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: I.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: And we have pretty much always had firearms in our home.
They are registered. I'm a legal concealed carry permit holder. I do that for my. For my safety. For. For the safety of myself and my protection.
[00:24:51] Speaker A: And have you ever noticed, before we.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: Go down that rabbit hole, just wait a minute. But some people would say I'm a terrible mother because I have loaded handguns at my home and my children live there. Right. But all of my children know basic and advanced gun safety. They can take all of them apart, put them together, clean them, etc. We've taught them that. My husband took the time to teach them that. So you could consider me a terrible person because of how I am in my home. Right. And so then it's kind of the same situation for you because of how you're living in your home. Right. And so people are judging you by. Based on how you live because of the asinine things that's going on in the. In the small percentage of the country with these people. But it's so loud.
The guns are so loud. The trans is so loud. It's all so loud.
[00:25:46] Speaker A: Do you ever notice and feel like sometimes there's a Ying to the yang?
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:49] Speaker A: Like for every lefty thing, there's a conservative thing, and each one is a problem. But the truth is. The truth is, I want you to tell people right now, real quick, what flag is on my house?
[00:26:02] Speaker B: An American flag.
[00:26:03] Speaker A: Anything else?
[00:26:04] Speaker B: I have no idea. I can't remember exactly.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: Hanging outside, what's on my house?
[00:26:09] Speaker B: I think just the American flag.
[00:26:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Now in the garage is, you know, is my Star David flag. And on the wall. You know that.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: But that's it. Right?
[00:26:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: And I just wanted you to emphasize that because that's all there's ever been.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: I don't. I mean, I don't think I've ever seen anything exactly.
[00:26:25] Speaker A: Because when you. I learned a long time ago when you. When you go down that road with a particular group. I knew back then there was a bit of unease even, even to me back then. There's a lot of people that would not participate back then, even though the group was really necessary in that time. And now it's funded through taxation.
[00:26:49] Speaker B: Right.
[00:26:50] Speaker A: It's hidden inside 1500 page bills.
And yet they let all this noise happen and a certain particular party feeds them money like you would not believe.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: But it honestly, that's.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: No, that's what it's coming down to.
So if you really cared about the health and well being and safety of society as a whole, you would want to step up and say, let's have this conversation. How come you and I are the first women. Okay. In our respective places to do this?
[00:27:22] Speaker B: And you know, it's funny and I was thinking about. It's not really funny, but ironic. Yeah.
It makes me want to sing when I say that.
When I think about this is like I don't feel any certain way. I grew up in a very rural area where I think there was one person of a different nationality versus or different race other than white in my entire school. I never grew up with any other like demographic of people. Any, any. Anything. So.
[00:28:01] Speaker A: But it doesn't mean you didn't know other people were out there in the world.
[00:28:04] Speaker B: No, I didn't. I was very shocked. I was very. Until probably middle school, high school.
[00:28:10] Speaker A: Okay. But then, but still you knew there was other things in the world.
[00:28:14] Speaker B: Right? But I, you know, I mean, my dad had a friend that was a black guy that would come to our house and that just didn't happen because we were out in the middle of the sticks in this, in the South. So that just didn't really happen very much. But, and my dad even, you know, kind of insisted that it was, you know, no big deal. People are people, they're good, they're bad, they're ugly. You just, you pick who you want to be friends with and if, if you're friends with great people, then great things will happen. If you're friends with people that want to do bad things and you're going to fall under the, you know, under what they do.
So, you know, I didn't grow up with any.
What's the word I'm looking for? I don't know, kind of.
I didn't know anybody that was gay. I didn't know anybody that was trans.
[00:29:07] Speaker A: I think it used to be called alternative lifestyle. That what they call it?
[00:29:11] Speaker B: I don't know. But I didn't grow up with that. So I didn't see it. I didn't know it. It was not presented to me. But I know that I didn't have hate for it. Right? I never.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: How do you hate something you don't know?
[00:29:22] Speaker B: Right. But a lot of that is taught.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: Careful what hole you take me down, because I'll open up something. So careful.
[00:29:29] Speaker B: But children learn what they live. So children are taught.
[00:29:33] Speaker A: Oh, I'm talking about adults, right?
[00:29:34] Speaker B: No, no, no. So, right. So they're taught hate. So I grew up ignorant, right? I'm going to be the first person say I grew up ignorant. I had no idea. But did I have friends in high school? Did I make friends with the two people in my teeny tiny high school that were gay? Absolutely. And I didn't look at them any other way. I loved them because I loved them.
[00:29:56] Speaker A: As a woman. Okay. As a woman, did you ever wonder.
Because I want to see if I can understand this because I've never understood that in all my life. I've never understood female hate.
I've never. I've never understood it. So you tell me, as a woman, did you ever get mad because they like men like you do?
[00:30:16] Speaker B: No.
[00:30:17] Speaker A: But don't you find it odd when women get mad that men like men? Don't you find that weird?
[00:30:23] Speaker B: I mean, I don't really know follow.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: Where I'm going, go down the rabbit hole.
[00:30:28] Speaker B: You're a woman.
[00:30:29] Speaker A: Why do you care what men do with another dude? And why you were pict. That's not your business.
[00:30:36] Speaker B: No, I mean, I. I don't have.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: Friends and look at them a picture when they have sex. Like that is just.
[00:30:42] Speaker B: Well, I don't want to. I don't really want to watch anybody do it. So, you know.
[00:30:46] Speaker A: No, I'm saying like, if you're a woman, right, and you hate someone that's gay or you hate someone that's like.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: For me, I think it's because of ignorance. Right. They don't know. So if you set someone automatically process.
[00:30:57] Speaker A: It in your mind that I have sex with men, who's got the problem here, me or you?
[00:31:01] Speaker B: I'm not in your bedroom.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: I don't. I'm talking about those specific kind of people.
[00:31:05] Speaker B: No, no. So if, if I think, I think it's just taught. It's a taught behavior. You go to some of these, like.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: What do you think they're having training class about? Training classes in their, in their, you know, in their homes or whatever?
[00:31:18] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: You think so?
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Absolutely, yes. It. Absolutely. Somebody has taught that kind of behavior.
I can remember when we all grew.
[00:31:28] Speaker A: Up in a Jerry Springer world. How is that possible?
[00:31:31] Speaker B: I grew up in the south, honey. It's way different than growing up.
[00:31:34] Speaker A: I mean, so did I. Between where I am now in Indiana and then, you know, I grew up in both places. So.
[00:31:40] Speaker B: So it's, it's.
[00:31:41] Speaker A: But we still all had Jerry Springer, right? That's where I have the guests come from.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: So my parents. My dad is a little bit more liberal than my mom. My dad is like, I don't really care. My mom is a little bit more of a prude. She doesn't understand. But she doesn't understand things because she doesn't know them. Right. She's. She's ignorant to that fact. And that's okay. I'm not saying that anything's bad with that. It's just what you do with it. So I educated myself and.
[00:32:09] Speaker A: And you made a decision for yourself.
[00:32:10] Speaker B: And I made a decision because I got to know these people before I passed judgment. So all this judgment's being passed on people before you're really taking the time to get to know someone. And so all people. So what the point I'm making is, is if some of these people that are making this outlandish comments and saying all this stuff, where are they getting their information? Are they going to get from social media?
Are they getting it from the news? And so then they don't understand it.
[00:32:43] Speaker A: Right.
[00:32:44] Speaker B: So then they are.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: Ask you a question. Let me ask you a question as a woman. Right? Right.
What do you feel? What do you feel the damage is it that someone like Dylan Mulvaney or Leah Thomas has done to my people? I don't mean like my people. Like we're an ethnic. Well, Jewish. Yes. But the other part, to the trans woman. What, what, what is your rate?
[00:33:10] Speaker B: You know, all of the interactions that I have with anybody that is trans.
Anybody. It's never like that. It's never.
[00:33:19] Speaker A: That's what I'm asking. What damage do you think people like Dylan Mulvaney and Leah Thomas have done?
[00:33:23] Speaker B: I think it's made you look bad. It's just like, so not all.
It's kind of the same thing. Not all people are racist. Not all people are gang bangers.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: I guess what I was looking at is do you see it the same way I do, where it comes off as very cartoonish and it's a complete lack of description of trans women. Do you see what I'm saying? Do you see what I'm saying?
[00:33:48] Speaker B: It's okay. So, like, if you see the trans.
[00:33:52] Speaker A: Women you know, let me ask. Let me say this. The trans woman, you know, do you think. Such as Leah Thomas did, walking around in a locker room with their slum a. Slinging. Do you think women like me would do that?
[00:34:04] Speaker B: No, I don't think that women like.
[00:34:06] Speaker A: Exactly. It's important that you tell people that.
[00:34:08] Speaker B: Because there is a level of respect. Right. You have a level of respect for all women because you want to protect us the same way we want to protect each other. Right, so.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:34:23] Speaker B: I mean, even when we were gonna go to North Carolina, you were like, well, I'm gonna get your. Your own room. And I'm like, why? What does it matter? Like, I didn't feel threatened or whatever.
[00:34:32] Speaker A: But it was silly.
[00:34:34] Speaker B: But it was.
[00:34:36] Speaker A: It was. It was a hospitality thing, and it was.
Each woman needs her own private space.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: Like, oh, well, see you. I don't know. I mean, it's just different for me. I mean, I don't really care, you know, but I know even if I was in that space with you, you would respect.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. But you still didn't answer my question.
[00:34:56] Speaker B: What? I. I felt like I'm trying here.
[00:34:59] Speaker A: No, you're dancing. I hate when you dance.
[00:35:01] Speaker B: I am.
[00:35:01] Speaker A: I. I just.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: I think it's. I think.
[00:35:04] Speaker A: Because I can say it, and I think people will hear it.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Making it dangerous for you. It's making it.
[00:35:10] Speaker A: Don't just say it for me. Put it in the context of society.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: As a whole, for everyone, because it's gonna put. It's gonna. It's just the same thing with, you know, look at. Look at Ryan White.
He didn't deserve what he had.
[00:35:28] Speaker A: I lived through that time.
[00:35:29] Speaker B: Right.
[00:35:30] Speaker A: And people ridiculed him until he found a place where he was accepted.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: And people were so cruel to him.
[00:35:35] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: It was horrible because they were ignorant.
[00:35:37] Speaker A: Remember? It was bad on him.
[00:35:39] Speaker B: Ignorant. I'm just. I mean, we all watched it play.
[00:35:41] Speaker A: Out in the news. It was horrible.
[00:35:42] Speaker B: Right. I'm trying to use examples that people would know versus just, like, my own personal experiences.
[00:35:49] Speaker A: How about. How about this one? Do you remember this one?
I don't want to butcher his name, I hope. Matthew Shepard.
[00:35:55] Speaker B: Oh, I don't think he was tied to the.
[00:35:57] Speaker A: He was tied to the.
Oh, yeah, remember that?
[00:36:04] Speaker B: I mean, it's because that was our.
[00:36:05] Speaker A: That was our age range.
[00:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah. This goes all the way back to, you know, even, like in segregation. You're ignorant because you don't know. Right? You're stupid. You don't know. You.
[00:36:18] Speaker A: Yes and no. There is a conversation that we should have. Not on this particular episode.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: No. But I mean, it's about similar, right?
[00:36:26] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:36:27] Speaker B: So it's all kind of similar, but it makes you not safe, Right. It makes you live in a world that's not safe for you. So what they're doing is causing your safety to be put at risk.
And I, as a woman, I don't want anyone to feel that they're not safe. So you feel just as unsafe as I do. If I went into a dark alley. A dark alley with some, you know.
[00:37:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: I mean, they would give me back for sure.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: I can attest to it. Hell, yeah, they would give her back because she's a pain in the ass.
[00:37:12] Speaker B: But I. I'm just saying, like, it. It does. It does put you in danger.
[00:37:19] Speaker A: But it narrows. It narrows the limit. It narrows and puts limits on society. Because what it says is with the whole. Let's start here with the debacle of Bud Light.
First of all, what do those two have in common? Zero.
[00:37:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:35] Speaker A: It was an ad agency that decided, oh, let's use this as a hook. It made no sense for a beer company. And that was not a target for the demographic, which is men, let's be honest. And. And so here's the thing. It.
That was a very damaging effect, not only commercially now, commercially now, it's, you know, it's a damaging effect, but also it makes women, such as myself, a joke. Like, that's what we do or that's what we look like. That's how we act.
[00:38:06] Speaker B: So it hurt you.
[00:38:08] Speaker A: And it made me mad at the same time because I. I'm feeling like I didn't run down the street in heels from boys and trucks with bats for you to do this. I did not. My friends did not die because you get to do this now. That's not why they died.
That's not why it happened. We fought for something bigger than that, where we all cohesively lived within society and. And we let bbb. Do you know what I mean?
[00:38:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:41] Speaker A: We let things just live. You got your side, we've got ours. We connect through grocery stores and things. And. And that was what we fought for, not what has happened.
[00:38:50] Speaker B: Right?
[00:38:51] Speaker A: So when I see people, when I see parents in a meeting at school, I'm gonna tell you right now. And I don't need you to say the word because I'm gonna say it.
I don't need nobody to tell me they're. They got some kind of transphobe because it's not what I see. Those are parents Legitimately saying you're indoctrinating kids here and you're allowing it.
[00:39:15] Speaker B: Well, and you're.
[00:39:17] Speaker A: And you. And you. Through your own regulation, which then. School boards are mostly full of liberal white women. Let's be real. Because conservative women aren't doing it. And you're allowing this to happen to children. You're indoctrinating them and you're preying on them. You're finding the ones whose mentality is a bit. The landscape is not adjusted properly and you're deciding to introduce something to them that you tell them will solve all of their problems.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: Well, I just don't think that children are like. You don't.
[00:39:47] Speaker A: Children are targeted. And none of these people, none of those people are homophobic or any other phobia.
[00:39:52] Speaker B: You don't want to. You don't want to show kids things too early.
[00:39:58] Speaker A: Right. Why are you showcasing in middle school a book about penis.
Oh, and how to put it in your mouth?
[00:40:04] Speaker B: That. That's just.
[00:40:06] Speaker A: I wish I would have had that book because I could have learned a lot earlier.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: I cannot with you. I did not get that. So I don't know.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: I mean, I learned on my own. I became a pro pretty quick. But I mean, I'm just saying.
I mean, I didn't have a book, so I had to just watch it through magazines and figure it out.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: I mean, you know, we all did.
[00:40:25] Speaker A: You practiced.
[00:40:26] Speaker B: I. I think.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: But what I'm saying is it doesn't belong in school. In all seriousness, it does not belong in school.
[00:40:31] Speaker B: I think. I think the important thing is, is again, this goes right back to me parenting my children. Right.
[00:40:38] Speaker A: And that's. Right. And we talked about that.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: I am not here to judge how someone else parents their child. But I don't think anyone.
[00:40:47] Speaker A: You have a private opinion and that's fine.
[00:40:49] Speaker B: Right. But I don't think anyone outside of that nuclear family should be doing anything with a child. Right. I don't think that that is fair. It is not the social workers job. It is not the counselor's job. It's not the teacher's job. It is not a school board's job. It's not. It is. It is what is. And if those parents don't make the right decision, then that's on them. Right. Then that's on them.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: It's for the authorities to get involved if there's action that needs to be taken.
[00:41:23] Speaker B: And a good parent will listen to their child.
[00:41:26] Speaker A: A good parent would never allow books in schools. And that's what it's about.
[00:41:30] Speaker B: Well, I mean, just anything, any decision like that. I want my kids to go to school to learn how to read, write. I'll emphasize write, read, write. Arithmetic, arithmetic, history, social studies.
[00:41:42] Speaker A: History.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: Even the baptistry.
[00:41:44] Speaker A: Fall asleep in science. Fall asleep in health class. I want alert during gym time.
[00:41:50] Speaker B: Yes, I want them. I also, I think if we're teaching that we also need to teach. Let's teach them how to balance it. Well, I mean, you don't really have to balance checkbook anymore. I'm showing my age.
[00:42:00] Speaker A: No, no. Yes, you do. Because you still need to know how to fill out a check.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: Right? Like write a check, how to fill out an envelope, how to look at.
[00:42:07] Speaker A: Analog clock and know what time it.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Is, how to fill out your taxes.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: How about that? Because you got to know how to write.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:14] Speaker A: So that's what I'm saying. The core. That's what I'm saying.
[00:42:17] Speaker B: We're getting, we're getting away from the education itself.
[00:42:19] Speaker A: It's becoming activism early.
[00:42:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:22] Speaker A: It's not even waiting.
[00:42:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:24] Speaker A: And so I don't like the. Also the other part where they are in fact preying on those kids that have that mind that's a bit more gentle. I'm not all kids. I'm not saying that it's very impressionable.
[00:42:33] Speaker B: Because children learn what they hear, you.
[00:42:36] Speaker A: Know, what wants to target with that. Yeah. And so I'm not saying. I'm not talking about kids on spectrum. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about kids that, that these type of predators seed something in.
[00:42:47] Speaker B: So I, I also want to say this too. Like, I don't, I also don't feel like. I don't feel like, like I don't want my kids to be taught a lot of things, but I do want my children to be like, I always took my kids out to eat everywhere. Different, like different, you know, ethnicities. I wanted them to try all the different kinds of food and you know, you know, my kids have been eating all kinds of wild stuff since they were little.
But I also want my kids to know that there are different nuclear families as well. Right. Yeah, I'm okay with that.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: That's a feel good story though, right?
[00:43:24] Speaker B: I'm okay with that. Like, I am so proud. Here's the thing.
[00:43:28] Speaker A: I'm not that. See, that's the problem. I'm not seeing that like you, they're.
[00:43:32] Speaker B: They're grabbing that all.
[00:43:33] Speaker A: I'm not seeing family saying, no, this is the only kind of nuclear family there can be.
[00:43:37] Speaker B: Right.
[00:43:37] Speaker A: And they look like you when they look like you and me. Yeah, but I'm not getting that, though, from people, because we are so different than our parents were and definitely not on the same level. You know, grandparents. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
[00:43:49] Speaker B: Right, Right. I just, I think, like, when was.
[00:43:52] Speaker A: The last time you heard of an authentic. Hold on, look at me now. When was the last time you heard of an authentic, real, validated hate crime?
I emphasize all of those words. Validated.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: You're making me use my brain. And I've had to work all day today, lady.
[00:44:08] Speaker A: I know you brought me here, so I'm giving it.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: I. I'm at your house.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: No, I mean to the discussion, dummy.
I hate her. I just want to put that out there. Full disclosure.
[00:44:22] Speaker B: She does not.
I. I mean, probably.
[00:44:30] Speaker A: I.
[00:44:31] Speaker B: That's a lot of.
[00:44:32] Speaker A: That's a lot of that.
[00:44:33] Speaker B: I can't.
[00:44:34] Speaker A: That's why I said verified by authorities, legitimate.
[00:44:37] Speaker B: I can't. See, that's my point.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: See, that's my point. You know, I watch that kind of stuff. That's my point. That's my point.
You know, we've moved away from that, and so you have to find something now. So if everybody's out there upset and mad at all this gender, I understand. That's the one thing we need to tell our audience. We understand. And that's why we're doing this.
[00:45:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:03] Speaker A: It's not the only reason why we're doing Media Labs, but in. In context of some of our videos that we're sharing, doing this is how it started for you and I having these conversations.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:13] Speaker A: Now I tell everybody full disclosure. They were far more intimate, they were far more abrasive. And then we got to vent and get all of that out. And then we said, ah, now we. What do we do with it? And we just said.
I said, hey, I'm doing this podcast. What do you say we do it like this? And I think we said this before, but if we didn't, I'll remind you, it was only supposed to be a four part piece between myself and Alice.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: But we got very close and, well.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: We were already close just to tell.
[00:45:41] Speaker B: Everybody, but I mean, we got. I mean, no, originally she wanted to.
[00:45:45] Speaker A: Become more part of Media Labs, you know, with me and what I was doing. And so now she's a part of it now because I think the lack.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: Of common sense and the lack of tolerance is intolerance. I guess it's not the right word I need to say, but the lack of common sense is not there. It's just not.
Well, you have to be one way or the other. Like, you can't just be down the middle. Like, if you. If you're this person, then you're, you know, you're a racist or you're homophobic or you're. Whatever. So I'm, like, for real, because that is not who I am.
[00:46:23] Speaker A: I. I don't want to go down this rabbit hole in this episode because we're, you know, 46 minutes. But what I will say is, how come you're only racist if you're white and you say something, but you're not racist if you're anything else? I'm just saying.
[00:46:37] Speaker B: I mean, I think it. It definitely goes both ways.
[00:46:40] Speaker A: I'm just saying we'll have that conversation on another podcast.
[00:46:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. I think it's. It does. And I've seen it in all different formats because I have a multiracial family. When I say that, I mean it. I mean, see, that's why I partially.
[00:46:52] Speaker A: Brought that up, because somebody would look at you, right? And just for the audience, someone would look at you or me. Well, for me, they know I'm Jewish. That's number one. Number two for you. Oh, just a white chick, Vanilla, Plain, simple. But you are so far more complex than that. You have an. Not an amazing story, you know, like, she needs to be on 60 Minutes, but you have a plethora of experience within life. That life that you've created out of those experiences, meaning, you know, your children. So while someone could look at you and think you're just plain Jane, vanilla and four foot tall, you have a lot of.
[00:47:26] Speaker B: I'm gonna really need you to give me that fit. Okay.
[00:47:31] Speaker A: I'll give you five inches.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: You know that. That is, like, the biggest insult. Okay?
[00:47:37] Speaker A: I don't give a shit. I will give her five foot. That's all I'm giving her. Because she came over my house today. She came to my house today. I'm just saying, you know, full of pits and vinegar, and so I'm giving it back. Yes. Yeah, I'm just saying. But I love her immensely. And I also love her. And. And I think what she's doing. Yeah, I think it's. I think it's really great that she has accepted, you know, kind of a role within media labs to come on board and want to do this.
It has been.
I am eternally grateful for it.
And that's all I'll say, because then she's gonna want, like, a check written to her, and then it's gonna Be a whole thing. We'll have to fight, you know, Might as well just get paid for it and get some mud and a tub or something. I don't know. Whatever you're into, we'd have to do something, you know, to make money off of it. So I could pay her, because I'm not giving her any of my money.
[00:48:31] Speaker B: But I do love Stingy, Stingy Lady.
[00:48:34] Speaker A: I hope everyone loved this episode, don't you?
[00:48:38] Speaker B: I do. I think it was kind of.
[00:48:40] Speaker A: Do you want to. Do you want to take it from there?
[00:48:42] Speaker B: I think we touched a little bit on everything, but I think we did.
[00:48:46] Speaker A: The episode we wanted to do, though.
[00:48:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:48] Speaker A: Some of it.
[00:48:49] Speaker B: There's. There's. This is such a complex and just.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: It's a long ride.
[00:48:56] Speaker B: It's. It is.
[00:48:57] Speaker A: It's a long ride. Yeah.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: I don't think that. I mean, I don't think that people really understand the. I mean, I do. I do think that they understand it, but I also think a lot of it is an education or just being uneducated about it, and that's okay. But instead of just talking out and just making it an opinion, going to the core and asking the questions is important, and I'm glad that you're willing to answer those questions.
[00:49:28] Speaker A: I just. I just. Honestly, I wish that more girls would. Would come forward and would talk about it and be more expressive. But the problem is the ones I have run into thus far, which is why I can't find them, are the girls that are.
We're all going to hell. This administration is going to make sure we're all sent to hell. They're lining up the chains, you know, to tie us all together, to drop us in the. Well, you know, the whole doom and gloom, you. You know, the whole spiel that they do. And it's. And it's unfortunate that they do do that because there are more constructive conversations that could be had.
[00:50:06] Speaker B: And it's not a black and white issue. There's a lot of gray there, you.
[00:50:10] Speaker A: Know, and our appeal is the people that live in the gray.
[00:50:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:13] Speaker A: Maybe they're in a little bit of the black, maybe a little bit of the white, because they want to hear something different. So we're good with that.
[00:50:19] Speaker B: Was educated. I mean, it is educational and. And to the point where we are different and we are the same.
[00:50:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:29] Speaker B: All together.
[00:50:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:31] Speaker B: Because we're.
[00:50:31] Speaker A: When it's done right, though. And I'm not saying my right is. Is the perfect. I'm not saying my right is paramount, but what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, is that there's a build up to this institution. As me.
[00:50:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: There's a build up to it.
[00:50:46] Speaker B: It has happened overnight.
[00:50:47] Speaker A: Right. And it has to be a warranted position. Like I come. You know that metaphor I use, you know, the null versus the plateau, when I've worked really hard to get to the plateau. And we'll have that episode where we talk about that more like you wanted to do.
But right now we're talking about those people that are trying to live on the little knoll and live like they're on the plateau and they're creating problems in society.
And that's the. That's what I'm saying. And I'm not making fun of any girl that. That isn't there yet or doesn't exactly pass on a daily basis. I'm really not. And I'm not trying to be that girl.
[00:51:25] Speaker B: Because you were that girl.
[00:51:26] Speaker A: Because I was that girl. I remember that stage. All I'm saying is if you're out there and you're listening, work hard. Do your voice lessons, you know, listen to voices that in a. In a female perspective that almost match yours and the softness you could create. Do your voice lessons, do your feminization lessons. Learn from women. If you're not learning from women, then you're just a punk in a dress, period.
I will not say it any other way. You either are truly born clinical definition of a trans woman or you're a flyer.
You're a pinup out of a flyer because that's what makes you feel special. And you're fucking shit up for us, the rest of us. Knock it off.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: You're putting, you're putting. Putting my friend in danger. And it's not, it's not fun for me because I don't want ever to have to visit her in a hospital because someone has thought that this radical idea is correct. It's not fair to her. It's not fair to the people that are trying to live their life every day.
It's not fair. It's just not. It's just not fair. And I mean, life isn't fair, but that's okay. So we're here to change it.
[00:52:53] Speaker A: So as us as a society, let us begin to now learn to heal.
[00:52:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: And live cohesively. That is what Chronicles and Alice are after. Yes, I am Chronicles and I am Alice.
[00:53:08] Speaker B: And this is Media Labs.
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