Episode Transcript
[00:00:07] Speaker A: This is Media Labs.
Welcome back to Media Labs. I am Chronicles. This is Chronicles of a Nation. And with me again today, Alice. I'm not gonna announce you, chick. You have to announce yourself.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sorry. Hi, I'm Alice.
[00:01:00] Speaker A: She's an idiot, y'all. Please excuse her.
She has asked me a couple of questions based on some things that she has seen on her web. The interweb. Well, social media more closely. Tick tock.
And.
And one day, we'll explain my reluctance to be on all these social media platforms. But not today.
Today we are going to talk about, in this episode, why are people afraid of trans women?
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Because they're not afraid of trans men.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: No.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: But they were women initially, so I think that's where that comes in. I have.
Well, I have friends that are both.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: Nobody likes you but me. Let's be clear.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: I have. I don't think that trans men go through the same thing trans women go through.
[00:02:03] Speaker A: No, they don't.
[00:02:05] Speaker B: And I think part of that. I think part of people being scared is one, the social media and the news and, like, mostly the news and social media and then people that are faking.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Exploit who I am.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Making it dangerous for you to live your life.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Like a normal human being.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: Like I have for years.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: So I think that there are some myths to dispel, which brings me up not only to this topic that we're discussing, but it's actually about a story I'm about to do. Alice, do you want to begin that tunnel?
[00:02:48] Speaker B: No.
Yeah, I don't even know how to start that. I'm sorry.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: So I'm working on a pretty important piece, and we will be posting it to our social media now that Alice is back and everything, and we're getting in, you know, gear to do other stories and things that we're sharing.
The continuation of the erosion of the I40 corridor is not done. I'm behind. I'm sorry. It's coming.
Because I do want you to hear Dana's story. So just work with me, please. Probably Monday. That will be uploaded. Just letting you know.
So I think there's a lot to unpack with this idea of people don't like trans women.
And I think it's interesting because on the flip side, they ask men, can men get pregnant? And men are like, what are you talking about?
[00:03:54] Speaker B: So.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: So there is a new. There is a new.
What's the word I'm looking for? I don't know, explosion happening where they're beginning to ask men about, can men be Pregnant. So it's. It's that reverse of.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: I mean, a trans man totally can be pregnant. I don't know how dangerous it is to the fetus with testosterone, you know, injections or testosterone patches or tossed. I don't think there's patches.
[00:04:18] Speaker A: You know, that is a touchy subject for me.
[00:04:22] Speaker B: I just don't know, you know what I mean?
[00:04:24] Speaker A: So he.
[00:04:25] Speaker B: I'm not educated on that. I probably should educate myself. You know what I mean?
[00:04:28] Speaker A: So let me help everybody out.
Okay, I want to clarify. It's not a myth. It's not a supposed. It's not a trajectory that we are looking forward to under no uncertain terms. Can I or anyone else that is a trans woman give birth ever? Okay, it's not gonna happen. Because if anybody could be pregnant with nine kids and on TANF and food stamps, it would be me.
I'm just saying I'd probably have the 10th one because, you know, I don't like odd numbers.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: Okay. Give me some more epidural. I'm ready to go. Chicken wings are open. Listen, so. But after the things I have seen, I'm not so sure about that because I like my hips in one place. Well, unless it's night time and we're doing sexy things.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: So many things can happen wrong.
You know, it's not. It's a wonderful thing.
[00:05:30] Speaker A: It is.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: Giving birth is emotional and whatever, but.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: Remember what I said. Oh, this road.
[00:05:36] Speaker B: But it is. Yeah, there's lots of challenges. I don't have a uterus now because of those challenges of traumas and different things.
[00:05:44] Speaker A: Like, I wish more women would talk about those stories because, honey, I'm in perimenopause.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: Don't nobody want to talk to me right now.
[00:05:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. It's true. That's a true story. I talk to you, but that's a true story.
[00:05:55] Speaker B: But I think, you know, even like. So back in the day, in the 80s, 70s, 80s, when in the 50s.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: Women sometimes, if they had difficult pregnancy, do you know they stood up, like in medieval times, when women actually stood up to give birth? Well, up in the 50s and even some in the 60s, if they had a difficult time giving birth, they stood them up. Well, and I've seen someone.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: I'm not. I'm not ever giving birth without drugs.
[00:06:22] Speaker A: Can you imagine standing up like you're just gonna, I don't know, the bathroom and then go.
[00:06:26] Speaker B: I only had one vaginal delivery. I had two C sections. And let me tell you something. Those say women are not given enough credit for those Oh, I give them credit for it. Oh, honey. But anyways, back to the subject on hand. So like in the 70s, 80s, you know, gay people were persecuted and especially drag queens, like, oh, you want to be a, like walk like that?
[00:06:51] Speaker A: She remember that.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: But now it's very mainstream. Drag queens are a lot mainstream where it's fun and it's inviting.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: It is. Until they start getting out there. Not to get off topic. And we'll get back on topic, but hear me out. It is great and fun and it's a beautiful artistry. You know, I have seven. I love it, actually. I have 18 crowns to my name, you know, 18 different pageants. But that was another life. But what has soiled people on the idea of drag queens is the little people in the bars and the little people being read to by things they don't understand. And it honestly scares some of them. And then they come out to be those kind of people with white vans in the alley. Well, I think that's what soil.
[00:07:34] Speaker B: I mean, like, for me, it wouldn't bother me and having somebody read to my child, because I would have educated my child prior to going to this event, made sure they understand and made sure they were mature enough to understand, you know what I mean? But I think the problem with a lot of people and being like intimidated, afraid, misunderstanding, trans people, is a lot of ignorance. A lot of people see what they see on social media and all they're seeing is the, the, the extreme versions of yourself out there. Not like you, but you know what I mean? Right.
So I think it's kind of like.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: I think it's self loathing.
[00:08:28] Speaker B: But they don't. They don't. The thing is, is is this has been a thing for forever and nobody's had a problem with it.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: No. And what I mean. Well, what I mean by the statement of self loathing is I don't mean self loathing. I mean maybe personal trauma as a woman and then those that flat out hate my existence.
And you and I have gone down this road before and you've asked me these different questions and you've asked me about particular individuals and we have come to an agreement about one particular individual that we have discussed, and we're not afraid to discuss it here because it is a true fact. She does in fact hate my existence. Both of these women, one of them, her name is Nancy Mace.
Yeah, Nancy Mace literally deplores the fact that I'm able to breathe. And people right now are saying, no, she doesn't. No. Yes, actually she does.
[00:09:29] Speaker B: She Said the T word. And I won't even say the T word. Even though you're like, oh, you should say it. No, the. I can't. I. It's.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Oh, I see. Here. Here was. Here was the thing about that. None of this was a. It. She was not on the radar about this issue. Right. She wasn't on the radar about this issue. But then the young one recently won her seat, you know, in the House of Reps.
[00:09:52] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: She won her seat.
And then all of a sudden, here's this explosion.
And I'm not even exactly, entirely sure of. Of part of her. All of her explosion actually comes from her constituents in her area. I mean, really, they have an entire district that she represents that feels that way.
[00:10:15] Speaker B: I wonder how many people actually have.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: A problem with me as a whole. I don't think so. That's. That's not what.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: I really don't either. I just don't.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: And so she blamed it on. She says. She says this isn't alleged. This is what she has said openly. I was.
[00:10:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: She has screamed it. I was raped by a man. I don't want him in the bathroom.
Hold on.
[00:10:38] Speaker B: Well, wait a minute. No, this. This ties into that.
But you're not a man.
You're a trans woman. Right. So you don't want anything to do with her vagina.
[00:10:52] Speaker A: Gross.
Come on, man.
God.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: I'm just saying. So true.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: Right?
Clinical. Clinical definition.
[00:11:04] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: We just want to put that out there. Clinical definition are not.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: I don't feel like our threat to me, period.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: But that's what I'm telling you. That, That I do not believe that's her base and her constituents in a district where they all feel this way.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: I think.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: I think that's her personal.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: And I want to step on this lightly. I don't think I have a hard time believing this. This. This alleged story from her because. And I don't have to tell you this, not to go there, but I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna give. Gives. Just. I'm just gonna give some. I am a crisis survivor and there's never been a moment afterwards because after it happened, it was a police officer that sat on the floor in a room with me while I cried.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:51] Speaker A: And didn't let go of me because I was that scared.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: But so don't. No, you don't know. You don't get to use the idea. And. And put. Because it's actually quite insulting. It's insulting to say I was raped by somebody that looks like you. That's what you're saying. So I can't have you in there, let alone the fact that every representative have their own facilities in their offices and. But then they have hallway restrooms, right?
[00:12:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: She has said that if I catch you in these outer. Outer restrooms, I'm calling Capitol Hill police.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Okay? So let's just fix that problem and make everything a unisex bathroom. Okay? Make. Make. Where I work, everything's unisex.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: But that's.
[00:12:36] Speaker B: You know what I mean?
[00:12:37] Speaker A: But see, that's the point that a lot of people brought up was that Congress. Congress people, they have their own restrooms in their own offices. So why are we making. Why did you go after Mike Johnson so hard to create a bill? Because she helped push that.
[00:12:52] Speaker B: Who is that?
[00:12:53] Speaker A: To create a bill where we only recognize male and female.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:12:57] Speaker A: I. Wait, but here's the thing. Right, but here's the thing, though. On a federal level. Right, but. So that means in. In the federal spaces or what have you. But here's my thing. I don't see.
Well, I'll tell you what. I seen the reluctance of Mike Johnson to want to jump on board with this, but this bitch is so obnoxious and intrusive with her mouth and her words that he had no choice but to act on it.
[00:13:24] Speaker B: Question.
[00:13:25] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:13:25] Speaker B: I don't know the girl's name, the lady's name. She's not a girl.
Who is the transgender Senate, is there? Senator Sarah.
[00:13:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:36] Speaker B: I would never just.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: She's the one I'm talking about that just won the seat in the House of Reps.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: But I don't like. When I look at her, she presents female, she passes female. I would not feel threatened.
[00:13:50] Speaker A: Her voice is a little sketchy. I think she needs to do more lessons.
She. I think she needs to try the lemon procedure, because it worked for me.
And the lemon procedure is basically where.
How I did it was. You use lemon juice and then warm water. And what it does is it when you know you're about her age. I was younger when I did it. And it helps loosen all of that when you speak. So you. So you begin to do words softly, and then you learn how to increase your wordage and the volume, but keeping the same tone.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean? So that's how I. But I think she needs to do her lessons. Yes.
[00:14:32] Speaker B: So do you think that she did a.
[00:14:35] Speaker A: Before you finish, that she did a press conference outside Capitol Hill and said, I'm here for my people. I didn't come Here for this shit. I didn't come here to cause problems. And thus far she hasn't caused any problems. No, all of this came out of Nancy Mace on her own.
[00:14:51] Speaker B: I don't feel, I don't feel like she's doing anything wrong. I think the genuine problem that women, well, that women, women have with some of the trans is when you like the guy. Do you remember the picture that the lady took of the guy in the girls locker room and he had, was like balding and he had a crop top on and a pair of shorts and he clearly wasn't trying to pass as a woman, you know what I mean? And I'm trans, I'm in this bathroom. But he, she, I don't know how.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: Whatever he was in the bathroom was.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Not, that was not respecting other women. You know, there's a level, I have.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: Told you, a lot of people that do this that are in fact classified, whether they like it or not. For some reason history has forgotten the name. But they used, we used to call them weekend warriors. Yeah, they've got dresses on, but when they go to the bathroom they pull down Fruit of the Looms. They are transvestites. It's just what they do in a particular state that I had lived in at one time, which I won't mention. They have women that are married to them that know they do this on the weekend and accompany them. I find that deeply effing disturbing.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: I feel like Bruce Jenner did that before he was Caitlyn.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: No, he didn't do anything. He laid on the table for nine hours and said, oh, I'm a woman now. No, you're not.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: No, no, no, you like he would put on girl, Women's club.
[00:16:18] Speaker A: I don't know. Has he ever talked about that?
[00:16:20] Speaker B: Yeah, he did. Okay, she did. I don't know.
[00:16:23] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:16:23] Speaker B: I'm getting my pronouns jacked. Because whatever.
[00:16:27] Speaker A: We're being honest though. But I'm not trying to like, you're not being insulting.
[00:16:31] Speaker B: No, but I, I think that I.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Show, I mean I can get.
[00:16:34] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: Caitlyn Jenner some respect. Yes. Because she has come out with these points of views and, and has changed course, you know, on those views and it's become more.
What do you call it? Center. Right?
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: You know what I mean?
[00:16:50] Speaker B: But you know what I'm saying, If you're going into a facility, like if you're walking into a bathroom, I'm not second guessing you, but also look at a lot of women. There's a lady that is a pretty big TikTok personality, whatever you want to call them, I don't know. Anyways, and she's like six foot something, and she's pretty muscular built and, and she'll go into the restroom, into a women's restroom, and she is a biological woman and people will lose their shit over her being in the bathroom and she has to prove that she's a woman.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: That's horrible.
[00:17:29] Speaker B: Like, I just think. I don't. I mean, I know when I'm gonna feel a little bit uncomfortable. Like, even so, a lot of this is another thing like dads taking their daughters out in public and dads, the girls not wanting to go to boys bathrooms, but the dad's not wanting to let them in the girls bathroom by their self. Because not only are men predators, but women are predators too. You know what I mean? You just can't leave your kids out there.
[00:17:58] Speaker A: How many stories there have been throughout society. I remember some from the 80s where deranged women that can't have kids and want kids so bad they take somebody else's. Remember the whole grocery cart?
[00:18:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: You know, back in the day.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: Remember all that?
[00:18:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So, you know, a man will open the door, announce, you know, I. It's just a, it's just respect, man. Like, just have a little bit of respect. And that will go such a long way.
[00:18:25] Speaker A: Well, I think it goes also to one of the things that I had said. I don't know if I said it to you or not. I'm gonna say it like this. Look, there comes a time when you make this decision to do this.
And if you know in your heart secretly you're hiding this, but you choose to get married to a woman, you bring one child into the, into the world, okay? Because, you know, you're, you're doing that whole, you're doing that whole line, that whole bit a skit, if you will.
And then you pump out number two, okay? But then you pump out four, and you're married for 15, 20, 25 years. And all of a sudden you decided at 50, 55. Because you now, you selfish prick, have decided that everybody else needs to suffer because of you.
And I will use. And I'm not, I, I'm not making any other statement other than this. I will use Caitlyn Jenner as a ground zero for my comment because you embarrass those kids. I don't care if it's out in Hollywood or not. Right. I don't care if it's in Hollywood or not. They have A very bad relationship now with Caitlyn Jenner and the other one.
[00:19:39] Speaker B: Sacrifices, Sacrifices. Doesn't that go Back to last podcast?
[00:19:43] Speaker A: You know what I never did sacrifice. Because you know what I never did in this life?
[00:19:48] Speaker B: Pump out kids.
[00:19:49] Speaker A: Gross. But, yeah, I mean, legitimately, no, but. No, but legitimately, that's one thing I did not do, because I knew one thing about me.
I knew the first thing about me before this even started, before this whole discovery about this even started.
I knew I was a flaming little queen. I knew that. And deep inside I knew that was my. That was my direction.
[00:20:17] Speaker B: Right.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: That's where I was headed. But I had to keep it at bay, you know, because, well, I grew up here in this state, and so. And we all know how that turned out. And so. But later on, I got to be that whole flaming thing and go and win 18 different crowns and. And, you know, and all that stuff, which is great. But then I had to make a sacrifice by making a choice.
[00:20:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: But in between making that choice, I still competed and won. Just saying to have 18 crowns, but I still had to finally make that decisive decision. And it's a blow. Right. So the other reason I make that comment is because there was a guy that somehow at, you know, maybe just a little bit south of 3, 400 pounds, all of a sudden was appointed the health secretary in this previous administration. And they said they were trans.
Big old thing, you know, the long gray hair.
Yeah, that JFK replaced. Or rfk. RFK replaced. I'm sorry. Yeah, that thing that went to school with Mark Milley.
Y'all need to look up that. It's true. They. They went. No, they went to school together. Mark, Millie, the guy that's famous for saying, I want to understand white rage and I'm white.
And the. And the other thing he did was let China. Let China know we're not going to attack them. We'll call you and let you know if we're going to attack you. That guy. But anyway, and so that guy, this previous health secretary that RFK replaced, what did he pump into the world, kids, and then decides at 50 something, I'm a woman. You're no longer. You're no more a woman than I am a rock.
[00:21:56] Speaker B: So do you think you could have.
[00:21:58] Speaker A: Been gay all your life? You could have just stopped, full stop. No, no, full stop. You could have been gay all of your life until you decided to transition. Right. You could have been gay when you made money.
You bore a career. You put things together in place so that you could Kind of step back from society and begin that transformation. You could have done all of that, all of it, but you chose not to.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: So do you think it's selfish?
[00:22:26] Speaker A: Yes. Because then you heard a woman, you damn sure enough to destroy the kids. I mean, I can't imagine what their psychologists think. And it's. And it's true. I'm tired of people tiptoeing around these facts and these issues. You destroy people along the way when you don't have self control to make the right decisions about your life.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Okay, hold please on that thought.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: Yes, ma'am.
[00:22:51] Speaker B: So do you think that it's that they should, if they love that person enough, whoever it is in their life, parent, child, whoever, that you should accept who they want to be no matter what stage of life? Because.
Because if I had a child, I mean, I do have children, but if I had a child, my child told me that, then I love my child unconditionally. So I'm going to love and nurture and respect their wishes and love them no matter what they do. And I would do that for my parent, too. So I kind of see that a little differently as well. I mean, I know it's going to be a little up and it might mess with their heads a little bit if they don't understand it. But I also feel like in a way, if you want people to respect you and you want people to accept you and being gay or a woman or bisexual or whatever, that, you know, it's. It's also kind of, they might love their parent unconditionally. And that.
[00:24:10] Speaker A: That's true. But here's this, this. The larger, the larger question is, and I think, I think secretly, because none of us actually know because they've never opened their mouth, I think secretly that I think I know that he doesn't have a conversation. He doesn't really have a relationship with Brody Jenner.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: Oh, I think that's because of the Kardashians.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: Because when he announced this and they tried to get comment out of Brody.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: I wouldn't have commented either.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: He went into hiding and refused.
[00:24:38] Speaker B: No, I wouldn't have either.
[00:24:39] Speaker A: But here's my thing.
Here's my thing. Like I said, if you had one, you brought one kid into the world, okay? You brought two. Okay. And I even kind of cringe it, too. But when you get to three and four, you think all those kids, one day or when you decide to announce this, they're all gonna say, oh, welcome home, mommy number two.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: Right? But that's a choice, right? That's a choice, and that's a choice that that person has to make. Because every choice comes with consequence, whether it's good, bad or ugly.
[00:25:06] Speaker A: But which one do you want more?
[00:25:08] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. There comes the sacrifice again.
[00:25:11] Speaker A: Yes. Which one do you want? I'm going to sacrifice because it would have been simple. It would have been simple to simply.
[00:25:18] Speaker B: Just be gay and maybe be a drag queen.
[00:25:23] Speaker A: I mean, or just be a professional, you know, and get your wings about yourself, you know, being gay and experiment and have fun with men and you know, and whatever else. And I'll get to the.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: Oh, you're saying he went from being married to. I mean. Oh, I get it now. Okay, that makes a little bit more sense now. You understand you're talking about the health secretary or whatever and Jenner. Yeah. Just went one day and said, this is what I'm doing.
[00:25:51] Speaker A: Yeah, full grown.
[00:25:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I can see where that.
[00:25:55] Speaker A: I'm talking about middle age. I'm talking about close to 50.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I can understand where that. I mean, the shock value.
[00:26:01] Speaker A: You mean to tell me before you pumped out number two, three and four, you decided still not to make the decision. You kept pumping them out.
[00:26:09] Speaker B: Well, also in today, like, I can.
[00:26:11] Speaker A: Understand this, but now you say you're a woman. No, bro.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: But I can understand if it happened in the, in the 50s or the 60s. But in today's society, society, I feel like, like if you were straight or you were. Sorry, rewind. If you were gay the whole time, but you had never like ex. Not experimented with that. But I guess you do have to experiment first to see what you like. Cuz like you never know. But you know, you, you married, you had a lavender marriage or you had just a marriage and you were hiding. Right. In the 50s, 60s, 70s, you know, that was cliche. Don't do that. You got to stay married. But now society is much more accepting of gay.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: But my thing is if you're about 50. Right. If you're about 50, how old were you when it was the 80s?
[00:27:02] Speaker B: Right, but do you see what I'm saying though?
[00:27:04] Speaker A: Or the 90s.
[00:27:05] Speaker B: You understand where I'm.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: I know I do, but my position. Here's what I'm coming from. I don't like, I don't like that emotional pressure on kids. Right. That's what I'm coming from. Right. It's not fair because they didn't have to be here and you don't have to embarrass them now, even if you say, even if they're leftist now, because If I had parents like his, I'm sure I'm a crazy leftist, but that, to me, is not the point. The point is you brought children into this world and you did not reflect on your own decisions because you did not have to pump them out like that. When. Now you claim you're a woman, but you. 20 years ago, you brought four kids in the world or what have you. So I know men that have had one baby with a woman. Right. And realize at that point, I've met a lot of them at that point. Hold on. Full stop. I can't hide this anymore.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:54] Speaker A: Right. Okay, Well, I can't hide this anymore. They come out to their wives. It's an amicable separation. There's no hard feelings.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And, you know, that has happened in my personal life, you know, and we.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: Know somebody like that. Right. We mutually know someone like that. Full stop.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:11] Speaker A: And it was amicable and they're good friends. Everything is cool. Everything's kosher. It's good.
[00:28:16] Speaker B: I mean, my. We have a family member, but. Yeah.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: Now. And he has a husband and he's happy, but he's with a man. He didn't come out. And now say, I'm a. I'm a chick.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: So you're saying, for a child, I.
[00:28:31] Speaker A: Don'T like that emotional baggage for kids.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: For a child, it would be an easier if he would have just been like, I'm gay and I'm leaving my wife, and it's gonna be easier. But him saying, oh, I'm trans. Is a little bit. It's harder on the child after.
[00:28:49] Speaker A: After pumping four kids out. Three kids out. Yeah.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: Two kids out. Yeah. I get the one. Because it's happened to a lot of gay men. Let's be honest. You and I both know that it's happened to a lot of gay men. But then they pump the brakes and say, well, wait a minute. I can't bring something into the world.
Lie to them. Right. And then lie to her.
So hopefully, for. I don't know about everybody, but I know men. It has been amicably, and I know men that women wanted to destroy them all the way to the point where I know one. She reported him for rape to get him locked up because he had just told her, this is. This is the truth.
And she was that bitter.
It went all the way to court before they finally even her lawyer set her down. Said, you need to. You need to say the truth now. I can't continue with you. And she had to.
[00:29:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: All because he said he was Gay.
He didn't say he was a woman. He said he was gay and he didn't want to hurt her anymore.
[00:29:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: And he realized once he had a child, you brought a child into the world.
He understood the implications of the damage it could be done. Yeah, That I commend.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:58] Speaker A: But I'm just concerned about these people, that this goes back to crop top dude. Right, that's, that's my point is crop top dude. And now, and we had touched on it before about the plateau. Right. I have reached the plateau. But when you're on that small mound.
[00:30:16] Speaker B: I don't think he was ever on it. I don't think he was on the base. I don't think he was.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: The fence isn't even built.
[00:30:22] Speaker B: I don't even think that he had a ball in his hand.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: You see what I'm saying?
[00:30:26] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: Right. And so now all of a sudden, because you've said the words, you can step out in a crop top, probably with a hairy belly, and say, here I am. And women are supposed to say, oh, yeah, you're totally a woman.
[00:30:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:39] Speaker A: Are you for real?
[00:30:41] Speaker B: You know, they are for real.
[00:30:43] Speaker A: And so it's like another thing that works since we're on it.
And this just because. Not just because you're my friend and you've really. Well, honestly, she's become family, honestly, in our house. But. And I have, let me be clear, I have a lot of friends that are women.
Alice is my in between the lines friend.
So she is obviously very liberal socially, but she has her concerns about rule of law and country. That. That's called a patriot. And then I know other women, by the way, I know a Democrat woman and I know other women like other women around me that are conservative leaning women, Christian women, good women. And we've had great conversations and never one time did they say, I don't like you in my space.
Why are you in my space? They've been fascinated by my conversation with them. They've been intrigued by the things that, you know, I have said. And, and so this goes back to what I was going to say, what really repulsed me, honestly. And this is before we really got started with podcast. It was repulsive to watch Dylan Mulvaney sit down with a bearded man with full face of makeup and say, let's talk about the first hundred days of womanhood.
Do you know that ran me hot?
[00:32:11] Speaker B: Yes, I do.
[00:32:12] Speaker A: Do you really believe that women sit around and talk about the first thousand days? The first hundred days? Girls don't even sit in a in a little kumbaya circle talking about my first menstrual cycle. Most girls are actually embarrassed about their first menstrual cycle.
[00:32:25] Speaker B: Well, honey, let me tell you, it's not a picnic at all.
[00:32:30] Speaker A: But do you see where I'm coming from, though?
[00:32:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I do. I do.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: It's coming from a position of mockery where you have absolutely. It seems you've lost your value for the. The female experience.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: And you want that experience.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: You don't care, though. That's.
[00:32:46] Speaker B: You don't validate their experience.
[00:32:48] Speaker A: That. That's exactly. You're not validating the female experience of a biological woman. And you don't get to step within their spaces and not have some decorum and respect for them. You just spit in their face with. With your shenanigans. And that. That's not. That's not the objective. The objective is just to grow your life and become that kind of soccer mom world is what we used to call it, and we all aimed for that. And so when you. When you don't plug yourself in that way, when you don't have seasoned transsexual women around you to tell you these stories or to show you the way, and all they are is just in it. In. In truth, all they are is boys playing dress up like a teacher that was in a classroom. I got this story from the Hodge Twins on YouTube because I watch them and there's a teacher and a classroom. No students were present. No students were present.
But she air quotes decided, I'm going to do a twerking Vogue video in the classroom.
[00:34:00] Speaker B: Let me ask you a question.
[00:34:02] Speaker A: And got fired. Of course.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Would you. How do you feel about, like, teachers that are, like, teaching kids?
[00:34:13] Speaker A: It's called grooming.
[00:34:15] Speaker B: Well, I just, I. I think our education system, and I've said it before on this podcast.
[00:34:22] Speaker A: Would you ever go to someone. Right. You seem maybe mentally struggling. Right. Maybe with an identity issue. Okay, hear me out. And you know me. When she say you should. You should be like chronicles. Her life is so fabulous and she's trans and she's so happy. Here, try. Try on this.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: Absolutely not.
[00:34:39] Speaker A: Try on this dress.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: No.
[00:34:41] Speaker A: And we'll do it, and we'll do it in secret. You don't have to tell your parents.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: No, I. I don't listen, because that's what's been happening when it comes to how we taught things in our house. There were.
I think.
I haven't had.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: I was just giving you an example. Right.
[00:35:00] Speaker B: I haven't had a lot of trans friend Friends growing up, a lot of gay friends. But also I came from the backwoods, so.
And then, you know, as my kids were growing up, most of those people that I was friends with were like the other parents, so. And I wouldn't even consider them friends, associates, you know, But I, you know, taught my children tolerance like you teach your child that every person deserves a right on this earth, self awareness around others. And even though somebody may be different, that doesn't mean anything like that's just how they express themselves. All three of my children have their own unique outlook on life, their own unique personality. One is a hippie, one my daughters went through every phase that there has been.
[00:35:49] Speaker A: She's, you name it.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: My youngest kid is kind of like a little preppy redneck, but that's just the way they are. But we've always welcomed everyone into our home, no matter what gender, what race, what anything. But it is not their teacher's responsibility or their teacher's right to teach them morals.
Okay? Period.
I know. Do I agree with someone, a parent that teaches hate? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. But that is not my child. I'm not claiming that kid on my taxes. So I don't have a right to tell that parent how to parent. So you don't have a right to tell my kid jack diddly squat.
[00:36:41] Speaker A: Right? If it's something that's an at home environment, yeah, absolutely. And I don't believe, and I have said this, and I have a special piece coming up that I said earlier about.
And we'll get into it more on Monday, we don't have time today. But it's a piece that I'm, I'm doing that I'm, I just kind of went full throttle in. Yeah, yeah, you know about it. And I went full throttle in it.
[00:37:05] Speaker B: But I'm not saying that tolerance is also not needed in the classroom. Right? Because.
[00:37:12] Speaker A: But what does a four year old know about tolerance?
[00:37:15] Speaker B: Well, do you see what I'm not. Wait a minute. It's not tolerance that I'm looking for. That's not the word.
Not acceptance either, but just understanding, I guess, a little bit. So if you have a kid in the classroom, let's go high school, right? Kid is obviously gay. It is openly gay. And he, there's John Doe here in the classroom. He, his parents never taught him anything about anybody being gay, anybody being trans, anybody being anything. They are, whatever. And this kid doesn't understand that. But it's not that teacher's job to teach that kid anything. But it is that teacher's job to say, look, while you're at school, these are the rules that you have to abide by. Okay?
[00:38:03] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: And when you leave here, the choices you leave, when you leave at 3 o'clock or whatever time, school's over now, those are then on your parents. But when you're in this school, respect is to be given period differences, no differences whatever. Because when he goes home, they may be spewing all kinds of hate. You don't know about everything. And that's just the way that child is grown. But the vast majority of this world.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: Because of social media, mind you. Right. But we used to make fun of it. We used to say because of Jerry Springer, you know, we're, you know, we're visible. You know what I mean? Because I was on there one time, you know, but you are not. Yeah, I went on there one time.
[00:38:50] Speaker B: I hate your guest.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a. It was a love triangle.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I got paid 1200 bucks and.
And I was a guest at Ricky Lake show one time. And. And so one of the interesting things that you just said that was really. You hit on point with all of that. You really did. But here's my thing. Have you noticed we haven't had an explosion in schools of. Of hate beatdowns, gay beat downs. Right. We haven't had. We.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: Not really.
[00:39:23] Speaker A: We've had an explosion of all these flags and things going up. But there's no explosion about another gay got beat up, another teen gay got beat up. Nope. But all of a sudden there's an explosion about what they have decided we're going to tell your kids. Not teach. Indoctrinate.
[00:39:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:41] Speaker A: Because. I'm sorry, what was that? Did I just make sense? Because there's no explosion about beat downs of gay kids at school. No, there's not. No, there's not. But there's an explosion about what we're going to teach you. And I like it when parents go in there. Like one video I saw, mom marched in there, tore that flag down and.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: Was like, nah, you need to learn about all the other flags. Of all the other.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: There's only one flag that matters.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: Well, but I mean, it's great to learn about other countries and other history about country. Yeah.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: This is a.
[00:40:10] Speaker B: That flag, America.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: No. Oh, oh, the teacher. No, the teacher had a. The Alphabet people flag. The mom went in there and tore it down.
[00:40:21] Speaker B: No, no, I know that. I know what you're talking.
[00:40:24] Speaker A: Okay. I thought I lost you. I don't know.
[00:40:26] Speaker B: I'm like, no.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:40:27] Speaker B: But all the other Flags. I mean, we need to, you know.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Because she was like, no, he needs to learn how to read and write and. And do math.
[00:40:35] Speaker B: Yeah, because I'm not sitting there for social teacher.
[00:40:38] Speaker A: The teacher. I'll leave out. I'll leave out demographics. But the teacher went off on this black lady because. How dare you say that I can teach what I want. No, no, you can't, because you're not teaching. You're indoctrinating.
[00:40:53] Speaker B: Well, the school has a set of things. And I don't know, I mean, maybe it's in it, maybe it's not, but I don't.
[00:41:00] Speaker A: Do you remember in school how you and I learned about sex and the fact that a very unsavory word they used to use back then about, you know, gay people? You know how. Remember how we learned about it? We have social media.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: We. I learned. I learned very little about sex.
[00:41:14] Speaker A: No, but, no, what I'm saying is as we. As we're in high school, Right? We're in high school, so we learned about, you know, the sucking and the. Because we.
[00:41:24] Speaker B: Oh, no, I did not.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: Oh, really?
[00:41:25] Speaker B: Like, not through school.
[00:41:27] Speaker A: What we did. No, because that's what all the kids talk about. I mean, everybody's getting horny and activated.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: No, like in the. That my kid would come home in middle school and tell me, I'm like, bro.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: And then of course, you know, back then it was the queer word and the faggot word, you know, in the homo word. You know, every new year at high school, it had another new word.
[00:41:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:45] Speaker A: You know, started about seventh grade. And so. But what I'm saying is, I'm not hearing we have that language problem in school anymore. No. So we're going to. And so now we're going to. We're going to do this now. Well, you know, and what got him caught was Covid, because kids had to learn at home. That's what got them caught. And then as parents begin talking state to state, they began realizing, we have a big freaking problem. This is a bunch of shit.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: Well, I just don't want my. I don't want my child to taught anything but factual information, history, math, whatever at school. I want to teach them morals. And I don't think morals should be taught outside of the home because everybody's morals and values are different, period. And what I teach my kids may not be what you teach your kids.
[00:42:37] Speaker A: Well, our kid. Our kids. Our kids live within a community, you know, you know, of an area and everything, and they have their own environment. We grew up in A bubble. As kids, we swore by it. Nothing else existed. Our parents didn't understand. Every generation says it, but in. But in school. School is school. And a lot of times, teacher know about the gossip. What cheerleader just got pregnant, who's quitting school, who just got caught with pot, you know, the whole nine yards. Who just shot himself in the foot with a hunting rifle. And so we both went to. We both went to country schools. I'm just saying two different areas, but we both went. And so none of this was on the radar. And I think what happened was when Covid happened, and parents are beginning to hear these conversations and seeing. And then here came the whole book thing. I just want to make something really clear, really quick. If one of my sons brought home a book that told him how to eat penis, there's no place on earth that you can hide. I won't find you. If I had a daughter and she came home and said, they want to talk about my vagina and where I can put it, there's no place I wouldn't bury you. And I hope that every parent out there hears this, because these people have been emboldened by a weaponized DOJ and a weaponized FBI. We found that out when the issue happened over there in Virginia, where the boy, saying he's a girl dressing as one, went into a bathroom at one school, mutilated a girl, and instead of doing something about him, the parents just moved him to another school and he mutilated another girl.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: How did he not get any charges?
[00:44:07] Speaker A: Nobody knows.
They just moved the boy. See, that was. That was a big explosion a couple years ago. So with that school board. Listen. Then the parents reported it to the school board. The school board took it and reported to DOJ for domestic terrorism. That's why this.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: Why wasn't reported to the police department.
[00:44:27] Speaker A: It was the second time because the big stink happened.
[00:44:30] Speaker B: Well, I'm sorry. The first time it should have been reported.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: And do you know what the tran. The young trannies today say? Oh, well, see, that wasn't our fault because that was a little sis boy that did it. That's how you respond to that? That's your response.
You are. You're the problem. Yeah, we just decided in this conversation today, y'all, we were going to do clarity. I guess we've done it.
[00:44:52] Speaker B: Well, it's just a very sensitive topic, and we keep coming back to it because more things.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: It's become a hot button issue again somehow.
[00:45:00] Speaker B: And I'm like, I didn't even know that y'all existed most of my life. You know, I just didn't because it wasn't in my face. And, yeah, social media has a lot to do that. But even if I would have met you, I would have never.
[00:45:16] Speaker A: I think you've told me that. That you would have never known.
[00:45:18] Speaker B: I would have never known.
[00:45:19] Speaker A: Until we end. Until we start talking.
[00:45:21] Speaker B: Yeah, just.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Well, we got into those topics, and then I again told.
[00:45:25] Speaker B: Yeah, again, like, there is a lot of women that are that present masculine and. And I don't want to offend them, and you know what I mean? And I don't. So I'm not gonna assume. I'm not gonna make an assumption that I don't know facts on. So.
[00:45:41] Speaker A: You know, because every week they make up a new name.
[00:45:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So I. I mean, everybody was fine. Why the. Is it now an issue? But it's an issue because people are making it an issue because people are.
[00:45:55] Speaker A: People disrespecting people like chaos. People like chaos and anger.
[00:45:59] Speaker B: Well, they like that they're disrespecting you and making it dangerous for, you know, the process.
[00:46:04] Speaker A: And not without including me in the conversation.
[00:46:08] Speaker B: Well, well, they're. They're. I don't want to say mocking you.
[00:46:13] Speaker A: Oh, they do mock.
[00:46:14] Speaker B: But you know what I'm saying? Like, they're that guy that goes in. In a crop top and shorts, like, and saying, I'm. I'm trans.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: No, you're not.
[00:46:22] Speaker B: That's. Yeah, that's making you look bad. And that's not fair when, you know, you're out here saying, no, no, no, I respect women and I respect their spaces, and they are, you know, they include me in the spaces because they understand me.
[00:46:38] Speaker A: You know, one thing I can thank them for is that because of this absolute absurdity and nonsense, we started a podcast and.
[00:46:46] Speaker B: Right. And we're friends.
[00:46:47] Speaker A: Yes, we are.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: And we have good conversations even if we don't agree with each other.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: I think we do a pretty good job usually. Well, I don't want to say it like that. I don't want to say it like that because everybody was just like, oh, there's a riff. There ain't no riff here. Okay, so knock it off. But what I'm saying is, is that we both take different parameters to look at things, and then, you know what I mean? And then we find that way to see the sensibility of what both of us are saying.
[00:47:10] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:47:12] Speaker A: And that's how you formulate a conversation and rapport. I don't know why in the hell no one else is doing it. Me either, you know. But we're doing it. And we hope you stay here with us, because I am Chronicles.
[00:47:24] Speaker B: And I am Alice, and this is Media Labs.
